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July 02, 2008

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Well, this woman still seems to have part of the militant sceptic inside of her, because she "wants no part of" the subject of survival after death.

When I first read Mayer’s book, I was a little disappointed. But I was coming to it from the perspective of someone well versed in psi-literature. She gave me little new to consider.

Now, however, I see the book’s value in a different light, one I think you’re alluding to. Previously I posted about it her conversion experience with the harp, stating that we don’t rationally accept a new world view. Rather some emotional event or some spark of intellectual curiosity (which is still primarily emotional) reads them to accept the possibility of something previously unconsidered. With that in mind, we should probably not call Mayer’s harp episode a conversion experience and label it a “pique” experience. (Pun intended.)

But I think the real value is that Mayer’s book helps us understand the “fuzzy middle” and how they may gradually come around to joining the discussion. Too often we think in terms of “us” against “them”, with them being the militant debunkers. No offense, but the comment above that Mayer must be a militant skeptic because she wants no part of the survival question. (Can’t we just acknowledge that she is on a path and wisely recognizes she is not emotionally ready for that yet? Maybe her illness made it too urgent a matter for her to consider objectively.)

The world is shifting. The debunkers are increasingly marginalized, relics of a fading model of science. Let’s not marginalize ourselves by obsessing over them. Rather, let’s recognize that the Mayer’s of this world are far larger in number, far more important and far more “reachable”.

I'm sorry, but here you are seeming to interpret one invidual's renditions of their own memories of personal experiences as having huge implications for science as a whole and along these lines it's hard for impartial observers to see you as eccentric- at best or deluded.

D Kelly

No one is doing any such thing, but if it makes you feel better to think so, go right ahead.

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