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Matt

Hi --

I've written an essay-review of IR, which is in the current issue of the European Journal of Parapsychology. I think that it's a very important work, if not perfect.

Stapp's theories: The question is not whether some counter-experts rubbish Stapp, but whether they do it convincingly. Wegener was rubbished for BOTH his unconventional methods and theory, but that didn't stop his theory of continental drift being eventually accepted.

Secondly, even if Stapp's ideas are not borne out, there is still more than enough evidence, in my view, to argue for a far richer view of the mind. One thing that recent extensive reading into mainstream models of consciousness has convinced me of is that they really *are* crap.

Dualism, etc.: one reason that dualism is rejected is that it is seen as spooky or occult. However, exactly this objection was levelled at Newton's theory of gravitation. The idea of action at a distance was imported into the mechanistic universe of Descartes and Leibnitz because they could not get a purely mechanistic model of planetary movement to work. The clockwork universe was therefore a fudge from the start!

I think that we are in a similar situation with the mind-sciences. My own view is that in the long run, we cannot get away with ignoring the observer in a system. I do not think that the mind is an extra 'substance,' but I suspect that it may have properties that might need the importation of some ideas from dualism to be better understood.

One issue is that phrases like 'mind,' 'matter,' 'substance,' 'causation' etc. are all relatively vague terms that have meant different things at different times. Even today there is no real consensus about *any* of these terms. What we have in physics, for instance, are sets of equations that work and give us useful results. But what 'is' matter? What 'is' mind? What sort of reality do these categories really have outside our minds?!

Perhaps all we are doing is trying to project vague metaphors onto a complex universe which will never quite fit into our limited categories....

I think one other serious problem, as IR states, is to disentangle the overblown rhetoric of the 'experts' from the evidence. This is too rarely done, and a careless reading of the literature gives the false impression that 'they' know more than they really do. Therefore, let's not be intimidated by the often ideologically biased 'experts,' but instead look at the evidence and think for ourselves.

Robert McLuhan

Hi Matt - 'exactly this objection was levelled at Newton's theory of gravitation.' - good point.

I agree with almost all of this, but my view is that in the short term there's a distinction with final truth, which is what we are interested in, and the truth as it's currently *perceived* by most scientists.

That's why Stapp's ability to hold his own against sceptics matters. A counter-view doesn't have to be plausible, as we know from the way sceptics rubbish psychical phenomena - it just gives them the excuse they need not to bother with it.

In the end, it's when some kind of critical mass occurs, in the number of psychologists and consciousness workers who are prepared to take these ideas seriously, that progress will start to be made.

Will be interested to see your review.

Matt

Short term vs. long term: As Henry Bauer is fond of pointing out, time is often the real judge in scientific controversies. As you say, critical mass is what matters.

Sceptics: I agree, but I also think that we need to keep the skeptic thing in perspective. Most skeptics are probably best understood as 'science groupies' (Bauer's term), e.g. not scientists themselves but followers of what 'Science' says. They also behave as footsoldiers or policemen on the scientific fringe, keeping dissidents in line with (metaphorical) batons and/or tasers.

Now, one does not go to policemen if one wants legislation changed. One goes to the legislators who pass down the orders to their minions. So ultimately, as I've said before, the real debate must be as much as possible within science, rather than with 'skeptics,' who will probably miraculously lose their skepticism if the mainstream views of the mind, etc. change. Groupies do this; their skepticism is assigned by a higher authority. They're not really independent thinkers at all.

What I'm trying to say, I think, is that too much engagement with organised skepticism is a waste of time. One is better off strengthening one's theoretical arguments, getting empirical data and sidestepping the 'skeptics' where possible.

Sheldrake did this at a conference recently, where he requested that his work be reviewed by scientists who were NOT committed skeptics. e.g. genuinely impartial or truly sceptical people -- of which, BTW, I would like to think I am one.

'Skeptics' are the LAST to acknowledge change, as you pointed out in our talk.

Paul Welsh

Good point Matt.

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