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Guy Lyon Playfair

There they go again. A couple of years ago it was the dirty tricks campaign headed by that Edzard Ernst trying to con us into thinking that alternative/comp medicine - all of it - was useless if not actually dangerous - which indeed it is to the health of the drug companies. Now we are asked to believe that organic produce is no different from non-organic.

Wrong. It is. For just one example, get some org watercress (e.g. John Hurd from Waitrose) and compare it with the non-org stringy stuff. (And keep the nice fat stalks and turn them into juice, which mixed with carrot and tomato plus a bit of ginger makes a delicious vitamin-crammed drink).

As for alt/comp medicine, if you have prostate problems, get some Saw Palmetto. I'd be glad to hear from anyone who has benefited from this or any other natural products. I certainly have.

Sure, some alt/comp medicine is probably useless, and it would be nice if some serious research were done into what is and what isn't. This is what Prof. Ernst was allegedly supposed to be doing, but clearly hasn't.

This is an important issue and I'm glad it has been raised here.

Harley

There goes Guy again. Alternative and complementary medicine has no scientific evidence that it is effective in any way over and above the placebo effect. Edzard Ernst, whom Guy criticises so quickly, is qualified to give his informed opinion in this area. As a cure for anything, CAM is, indeed, useless. People like Guy are quick to criticise science, but at the same time would give anything to have science validate their quackery and paranormal claims.

If anyone wants an example of a dirty tricks campaign, consider the fact that the British Chiropractic Association are suing the science writer Simon Sing for libel because he pointed out that they are providing treatments that have no evidence to support them. But libel? Why didn’t they just produce the evidence? Answer: they don’t have any. But they are now finding a sudden backlash: there are currently more than five hundred complaints lodged against chiropractors on the grounds that they are providing healthcare without evidence of efficacy; chiropractors all over the UK have been instructed to take down their websites; they have also been told to remove printed materials that also make unsubstantiated claims; and there is a general feeling of panic among providers of chiropractic, who, clearly, cannot provide evidence that their treatments can cure anything.

Guy might be right that a vegetable-based drink has plenty of vitamins, but that is by virtue of the fact that all vegetables happen to contain vitamins. That’s not a special claim.

There is something very important, though. Guy’s advice for anyone with prostate trouble is to “get some Saw Palmetto.” My own advice is: see a doctor. By the time you follow Guy’s “advice” it might be too late to save your life. But it is typical of such quackery that Guy would like to hear from anyone who thinks they have benefited from his advice, but he is not asking anyone who has not benefited – or even suffered any adverse reactions or outright harm – to let him know about it. Quacks happily quote people who claim to have been helped by their treatment, but don’t take people who have not been helped, or who have even been harmed by it into the equation. Then again, to do that is starting to sound like a scientific investigation, and we wouldn’t want that, would we? Those awful scientists just spoil everything.

By all means pop into your local Waitrose if you want and can afford organic food. Bear in mind, however, that there are people starving in the world who do not have that option. If we are to feed people as the world’s population increases, pesticides, and genetically modified foods that can survive in harsh environments are the only viable solution.

Robbie

Having parents who recently have started buying local organic food I can safely say that it tastes and smells much better then processed food and I feel much better after eating it!

Zerdini

You pays yer money and takes yer choice.

antiskeptic

Hey, I have been saying for a while now - on many different message boards - that we need a general anti-skeptic or counter skeptic movement to protect people who make non-mainstream claims from these types of dishonorable tactics. Most people don't seem angry enough at the skeptics to get on board. Shame. I see that a group called SCEPCOP has popped up, but I do not have much respect for them given some of the policies that they have allowed on their message boards, and some of the arguments they have made. I hope that they are successful, or at least successful at getting a movement started, but I will not personally support them.

Winston

antiskeptic, what problem do you have on the scepcop forum policies? we preach open mindedness and tolerance, so we have to be that way on the forum too, in order to practice what we preach. we allow free speech within boundaries. when people cross the line, we gave them warnings and that was usually enough to put them back in line. you left us just because someone made a joke about coming here at the call of the "NWO headquarters" which was a joke. If you can't take a simple joke, then you are too high strung for public discussion. Part of having good people skills and communication skills is understanding what people mean when they say something, not twisting every little remark into an insult.

Anyhow, the forum has grown a lot and there are many interesting threads going on now. Hope you can join us again. But please lighten up.

Winston
http://www.debunkingskeptics.com

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