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ProcSPR, Vol 2, 1884, pp.180ff.

Thanks Tom. I might have guessed that the SPR researchers would have come across this story, which they raise as a possible example of collective percipience, although they don't have much to add. Their account makes clear that the connection with Lancaster is solely with the father seeing the picture of the saint. The family were from Hampshire and the boy's college was in Hertfordshire. There are other inconsistencies, eg. it was just the father and the daughter out walking - the mother was not present - and although they both saw the figures only he realised it might have been an apparition. It's instructive to see how stories like this get jazzed up in the retelling, although it doesn't necessarily support the sceptic's contention that it's all pure invention.

I had two precognitive dreams relating to my fathers' death a few weeks ago. When I had the dreams I had pondered why I had them since normally I can psychoanalyze my dreams as based on subconscious associations from the previous day.

Richard Wiseman's claim of the statistics of large numbers is silly because of the exact details of this apparition sighting. When I trained with qigong master Chunyi Lin I actually saw dead spirits as yellow light forms shaped like humans -- floating through the air. I never told anyone about this but at this meditation retreat qigong master Chunyi Lin said someone had seen what I saw so he explained. He said when he's meditating then the spirits of the dead regularly come to him to deal with their emotional trauma. So then he helps them go to a higher level of light awareness.

The strange thing that I had been doing the qigong training to finish my masters degree and as part of my research I had also read a rare book which described the exact same phenomenon: The Venerable Phra Acharn Mun Bhuridatta Thera, meditation master by Bauw Ñanasampanno, Phra Maha.; Siri Buddhasukh. (Samudra Prakarn, Thailand : Buddhist Books Service, 1995).

He did full lotus meditation and he said the dead spirits regularly visited him when he was doing his meditation lectures to the monks.

So the idea that a saint would help a dead spirit is actually to be expected.

I once had a precognitive dream that was so specific it completely invalidates the "large numbers statistics" claim. I woke up from a dream that was more vivid than being awake. I immediately wrote down my dream in my journal and I wrote that I thought my dream would come true in the future. My dream was of my activist friends with Native Americans all holding a protest banner while standing the roof. The banner was to protect a wooded area.

Three years later I was looking at a photocopy of a newspaper photo and I got this strange uncanny feeling that I had seen it before. I drove to my parents where my journal was and I paged through my journal. The photo in the newspaper was exactly the same as the image in my dream. It was the largest land occupation protest in Minnesota history -- called the "Minnehaha Free State" led by the activist group Earth First! In 1995 I had been the local Earth First! contact and that's when I had the precognitive dream.

So instead of the statistics of large numbers the truth is that if there's a deep emotional connection and a strong mind focus then there can be visions which can predict the future and visions which can be in another spatial dimension as well.

Robert said,

"If we hadn't been running out of time I'd have pointed out that this requires us to believe that people are seeing apparitions all the time, but only bother mentioning it to anyone if the person they saw is later discovered to have dropped dead at precisely that moment."


Oh, I wish you had brought that up. It would have flustered RW for sure! Listening to that interview, one gets the impression that RW only mentions the "law of large numbers" in response to crisis apparitions because he couldn't think of anything else to say. Perhaps it was due to the time restraints.

I agree with you that his argument would imply the existence of a much larger proportion of 'uncorrelated' hallucinatory experiences from people who are otherwise mentally stable, which is pretty implausible. The thing that annoys me most is that RW sometimes throws these kinds of explanations about without any evidence to support them - where are these additional reports?

The distance by modern metalled road from Ware to Lulworth is 150 miles. Bit unlikely that the headmaster could do the journey in under a day, unless he was riding with Dick Turpin :-)

You wrote:"And the fact of one of the figures turning out to be a sixteenth century Polish saint somewhat weakens it. That kind of colourful twist just doesn't occur much in the literature. In fact I can't recall a case at all like it."
See Denise's NDE: http://www.nderf.org/denise_nde.htm "the little man guided me to the last stain glass window on the left, closest to the alter. He asked if I saw anyone I knew in the stained glass. It was a side profile, but I recognized him immediately. It was John, my John from my NDE. I whispered in awe, "that's John." "Yes it is my dear. He was an apostle on earth and he was called smiling John. You needed to see this.""

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