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I think the spiritualization of science is a hugely important topic (and have been ruminating on a post about it for some weeks). I personally believe that a spiritualized science would chart a new course for humanity, so I think Woodhouses' instincts are on target.

My quibbles would be: He seems inevitably influenced by some contemporary New Age themes. I believed in ancient civilizations as a young person (including the Sphinx being 12,000 years old), but now I think the evidence just isn't there.

I also don't see too much of a social justice theme in the above list (which I realize isn't his full list). I think that how we treat each other, both interpersonally and societally, is central.

But I agree with the gist of what I read above. I think that's where things have to go and where (if we allow a long enough arc of history) there are going.

I too picked-up on the New Age themes but, overall I think Woodhouse has the blueprint just about right. I'm sure HH the Dalai Lama would be very much inclined to agree with much of what he says.

I continue to "back away" from the position that civilization is older than 6,000 years.
The cave art in Southern France has been dated around 30,000 BCE and clearly represents "us" as it's creator. The culture represents a post ice age hunting society and there is strong speculation around "the bird man shaman' stick figure in one cave site is representative of the shamanic initiation of dying, multiple darts piercing the stick figure,who must die into the Other world and bring his magic back to his clan as "healer" and or "master of the hunt".

This Archetype remains embedded in the Christian Mythos as the Crucifixion and the piercing Of Christ's heart and the 16th century painting of the St Sebastian who is depicted with his neck pierced by an arrow. Modern shamans in the Amazon cultures describe the darts and death dismembering initiations in the various entheogen driven "plant realities".

I have seen underwater excavation sites, in several hemispheres that may point to cultures older than 30,000 BCE but no evidence as of yet.

I am always willing to look for new evidence of a more ancient high culture than 35,000 BCE. I have been delighted about recent evidence that most of the worlds population genome may carry up to 2% of Neanderthal DNA, a decades long debate may be answered regarding breeding and cohabitation of homo sapiens and Neanderthals. So if evidence for older civilizations comes forth, so be it. Until then, why just believe it? Sorry Ramtha fans.

I resonate with most of the authors 1999 predictions. I pray that some of them may be somewhat over optimistic. The Human Collective Experiment may end and it's demise would be a tiny ripple in the Vast Ocean of Consciousness.

Rick49, I see things much the same way. Real evidence of ancient civilizations would be incredibly cool. That's why, I guess, letting go of the idea was a long process for me of encountering one damning piece of evidence after another (like the Great Pyramid carbon-dated to 3000 B.C., and mitochondrial DNA showing that Native Americans were from Asia, not Atlantis), which forced me to slowly let it all go. Finally, I realized my only evidence was stories told by psychics and Plato.

I cringe when I see the name of Ramtha but I remain impressed with the Seth Material from Jane Roberts. Perhaps it is my natural aversion to commercialism of the kind promoted by J Z Knight.

In the 90's I was very much into the whole Graham Hancock, Robert Bauval thing but I haven't kept abreast of it all. I'm sure there must be some mysteries left - or have they debunked it all?

Anyhow, Robert, glad to see you have joined the SMN - I have been a member for a couple of years and attended their annual gathering in Hampshire this summer just past. Wonderful group of interesting and intelligent people - I will attend again when funds allow.

Hope to see you there.

David, yes indeed. Haven't had much interaction with the SMN yet, but have always had time for David Lorimer, excellent writer.

'I cringe when I see the name of Ramtha but I remain impressed with the Seth Material' - my feelings exactly. I've been sent some channelling books to review, and have seriously mixed feelings. Will be posting on it soon.

The ideas he listed have been around a long time, they are not new. I have been aware of those ideas for most of my life, and I am 60. He makes the unwarranted assumption that all the things he believes, the ideas on his list, are the ideas we are headed towards. Rather than thinking there will always be competing philosophies, he assumes his on philosophies are going to be the uncontested winners.

And, worst of all, he assumes that his preferred ideas will create a utopia.

I have always been sort of a new-ager and I always believed in holistic philosophy and that science and spirituality are not opposed. I am not an atheist or materialist, and I don't belong to any organized religion.

However, there is absolutely no reason that I know of to assume we are progressing towards utopia. There is absolutely no reason to assume people are getting nicer or that life is getting more peaceful, or that we will ever stop trashing the planet.

He is obviously a utopianist, and utopianism will never die out. There are certain people who need to think that way.

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